Curse

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Derek your still assuming that all people who play the game a few hours a week are no good at the game. Heres a news flash for you, all playing this game for long periods of time has got me is flashier weapons/armour and more knowledge of the enemy AI. Aswell as a few more builds to use and to experiment with.
People who play occasionally won't have these flashy weapons, they'll have the basics, some random collectors sword Customised maybe and the odd build they know works. Does that make them a bad player? Or are you too elitist to mix with this type of gamer?

Obviously you're just grinding, then. I play quite a bit, and I never grind. In fact, I have a measly 500k in all of my accounts, without any 15k or anything. This 500k has just been building up since a year ago without being touched. There are plenty of ventures in this game that'd allow you to improve without grinding.

I'm not "too elitist" to play with these players, but I sure as hell aren't going to take them into an Elite Mission. It's not for them.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

There are approximately 13 missions, several competitive missions, and a few cooperative missions.
That amounts up to almost 20 missions that a "casual" player can access.
There are 2 Elite Missions, essentially one since you choose a faction side.

Do you cry to your mother when she doesn't give you the full cookie jar?

Seriously, even the top alliance can only get into ONE of the TWO elite missions. They sure as hell aren't complaining, and yes, the two missions ARE different. Quite a bit, actually.

Thomas:< · May 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Derek your still assuming that all people who play the game a few hours a week are no good at the game. Heres a news flash for you, all playing this game for long periods of time has got me is flashier weapons/armour and more knowledge of the enemy AI. Aswell as a few more builds to use and to experiment with.
People who play occasionally won't have these flashy weapons, they'll have the basics, some random collectors sword Customised maybe and the odd build they know works. Does that make them a bad player? Or are you too elitist to mix with this type of gamer?

It's been said before the mission can't be done by this kind of player. Just leave it man. I'm with Derek, your all whining about something most would never have a chance at completing anyway.

It requires planning, a solid team build, (A LOT more solid than UW/FoW/Tyria), and most important voice comms.

Pug's cant do this, especially the majority of players that are whining about it: can't do it.

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Obviously we weren't elite enough to beat the mission, but we were elite enough to get further than anyone else. This mission was not intended to be completed by any group, and even we recognize that obviously we need to improve to be elite enough to beat the mission. And right now we don't have access to it because the alliance that I was going in with doesn't hold HzH anymore. You don't hear me bitching because I can't go back in anytime, do you?

Thats just not good enough, you failed. Along with the other members of the 'elite' alliances. You've lost your chance, you are no longer deemed worthy to enter that place now stand aside and let the casual 'noobs' have a go. I'm sure they'll laugh in your face when they beat the area, get a few rare skin items and come out the other side having had a good time doing so.

Sir_BlackJack · May 04, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm not "too elitist" to play with these players, but I sure as hell aren't going to take them into an Elite Mission. It's not for them.

Who are you to deceide this? Derek.. ah just grow up.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

So far two people discussing in this thread, have actually played the mission(s).

Why do have the "elite" missions to be only the toy of guilds with enough members? To laugh in the other players faces? We can play this mission you can't!

Imo those elite mission --> Time > Skill + Fun

Read my posts again. I'm not in any Alliance at all. I just play with friends, and have asked people who control HzH to play the Elite Mission, and they let me because they recognize me. They aren't just toys of guilds with enough members, because my guild sure as hell doesn't have more than eight active members.

Shanaeri Rynale · May 04, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

GvG and PvE are very very different, you can't compare. People look up to GvG because it's promoted and on GW-TV every minute of the day. Totally different mindset and skills are required.

I'm glad they allowed people to guest to get in. That at least is something. I really, really hope holding alliances continue to allow people to guest for free.

I thought about asking a few people, just to see what it's like. But I dont think i'm 'leet' enough to get in.

Re: Grind, the whole ethos of GW was it's skill not hours played. That claim has now been proven totally wrong

Iskrah · May 04, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Thomas:<

Pug's cant do this, especially the majority of players that are whining about it: can't do it.

WTF you think you are kid? I never play without voice comm and do whatever you want in what i'm given access to. WTF are you saying?

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

The difficulty of a mission is not a justifier for restricting access. You'd have to be trolling for arguments to make such an assertion.

vtrajan · May 04, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

If I had bought the cookie jar? Yes. Why shouldn't I have access to something I have payed for? Especially with CE ?

You did not buy the access to it. You bought the content for the storyline of Chapter2. The elite mission is a reward to those who go that extra mile and are the top alliance. If anything you've simply bought the 'option' or 'ability' to compete for the elite mission.

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Thomas:<

It's been said before the mission can't be done by this kind of player. Just leave it man. I'm with Derek, your all whining about something most would never have a chance at completing anyway.

It requires planning, a solid team build, (A LOT more solid than UW/FoW/Tyria), and most important voice comms.

Really, the game has been out barely a week and your already certain that this area can't be beaten without been a total geek? Perhaps you just suck too much to complete it? Of course we'll never know, all the people with the 'honour' of getting to repeat the mission over and over till they crack it can go and act smug at the people who've only ever had 2 chances to enter it. 1 of them while they happened to be busy that afternoon.... yeah sounds like a real fun game.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Who are you to deceide this? Derek.. ah just grow up.

Who am I to "deceide" this? It doesn't matter who I am. I was presented enough information to know that they're not good enough for an Elite Mission.

People who are saying I'm elitist, go ahead, it doesn't bother me a bit.

Sir_BlackJack · May 04, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

You bought the content for the storyline of Chapter2.

Aren't the elite missions part of it?

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I was presented enough information to know that they're not good enough for an Elite Mission.

You know you are talking about 95 % of the players of GW ?

Iskrah · May 04, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

You don't need skill to try the mission.
You need time. More than enough time for ANet to ask you to "please take a break".

Edit by Swehurn: Removed referenced deleted quote.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

The difficulty of a mission is not a justifier for restricting access. You'd have to be trolling for arguments to make such an assertion.

Okay, here's a better argument: It's ArenaNet's game. They determined that only the top Alliance and people they take to the Elite Mission can have access. No arguing with that, they're the game designers. Hell, if you come up with 15 game designers who all disagree with ArenaNet's stance, I'll be very impressed. Even if none of them have the resume or experience of some of ArenaNet's top designers like Mike O'Brien.

vtrajan · May 04, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

No, the elite missions are not part of the storyline and are in no way related to it as I understand it.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

You did not buy the access to it. You bought the content for the storyline of Chapter2. The elite mission is a reward to those who go that extra mile and are the top alliance. If anything you've simply bought the 'option' or 'ability' to compete for the elite mission.

Yup. Hell, you didn't pay for Sorrow's Furnace, it came free, so call it even if you'd like. You don't get access to something that at the most will last 5 hours if you complete it because you're not in the right alliance or friends with the right alliance, but you do get access for something that'd take ten times that amount of time to complete in entirety.

Iskrah · May 04, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Okay, here's a better argument: It's ArenaNet's game. They determined that only the top Alliance and people they take to the Elite Mission can have access. No arguing with that, they're the game designers. Hell, if you come up with 15 game designers who all disagree with ArenaNet's stance, I'll be very impressed. Even if none of them have the resume or experience of some of ArenaNet's top designers like Mike O'Brien.

50 bucks paid on the assumption that the game was "skill over time" and that massive grouped grinding was not the end-all be-all of the game, is disagreeing with you.

Thomas:< · May 04, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Really, the game has been out barely a week and your already certain that this area can't be beaten without been a total geek? Perhaps you just suck too much to complete it? Of course we'll never know, all the people with the 'honour' of getting to repeat the mission over and over till they crack it can go and act smug at the people who've only ever had 2 chances to enter it. 1 of them while they happened to be busy that afternoon.... yeah sounds like a real fun game.

I never said you have to be a total geek, you just have to know how to play video games at a med-high level, nothing more.

And also.. When did I say I couldn't do it?

*sigh* PvE is depressing :\.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Aren't the elite missions part of it?

The actual Elite Missions don't even take place on the Canthan map as presented, so I'd say no.